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Discussion about capitalisation of attorney general[edit]

Hi, there is a discussion at WT:WikiProject Elections and Referendums about whether elections to offices that don't have an adjectival form (such as 2011 Kentucky Attorney General election) should be capitalised. I would be grateful if someone who is familiar with this guideline could clarify the situation. Thanks, PinkPanda272 (talk/contribs) 09:01, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

RfC: Change title format of elections with unspecified dates[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
❄️  Nixinova T  C   05:25, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I propose that the following guideline:

For future elections of uncertain date, use a form similar to Next Irish general election.

be changed to:

For future elections of uncertain date, use a form similar to Nth Irish general election.

mainly to prevent incoming links from being completely useless. The current format uses the same page title for many elections, completely removing the ability to properly link to a page. All links on and off wiki to "next X election" pages break every 3-5 years, leaving the reader confused as to why someone was linking to the 2020 election from 2009 (e.g.). Using ordinals will alleviate this issue as the pages will move from the unique "10th election" title to the still unique "2022 election" (e.g.).  Nixinova T  C   05:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

In the specific case of Irish elections, would it be possible to correlate the Dáil Éireann ordinals (e.g. the "33rd" of "33rd Dáil Éireann") with the corresponding election (e.g. 2020 Irish general election)? Are we reasonably certain that the "Next Irish general election" is going to select the "34th Dáil Éireann"? -- RobLa (talk) 06:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
All parliaments are created as the result of elections so the ordinals would match their corresponding "Nth parliament" articles in all cases.  Nixinova T  C   22:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose I think this would create far more problems than it solves. Firstly, 'next election' is probably the most common way of describing the next election and not having 'next election' redirects is going to make it harder for people to find articles. Secondly, what number the next election is will not be widely known amongst readers (I have no idea what number general election my own country is on), also making it harder to locate articles. Thirdly, as RobLa demonstrates, there is potential for confusion/disagreement in many cases due to elections that for whatever reason may or may not be counted on the historical record. Also, how many links actually exist to future elections that aren't via templates? Looking at the incoming links to Next Irish general election, the vast majority look like they are links from the Irish elections template, which will be updated when the election date is settled, while the number of hardcoded links is very small. Number 57 08:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
    I didn't say anything about not having "next" as a redirect, just that we shouldn't have it as the main title. And external links should also be taken note of.  Nixinova T  C   22:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose This is not an improvement according to the WP:CRITERIA: it's less recognisable and natural (a lot of countries don't typically consider their elections in an ordinal way). There's no different in precision as "Next _____ election" is unambiguous. Concision would be unchanged, and consistency would be slightly impaired because "Nth" is a worse analogue to "2022" than "Next" is. Ralbegen (talk) 11:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Agree with the above posters that elections are rarely, if ever, known under any sort of ordinal designation and such a system would cause more problems and confusion than it solves. Having articles about the Next election feel much more natural and elegant. PraiseVivec (talk) 11:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per what other editors have said, the style already in use is already the most natural and obvious method, while the proposed alternative is actually potentially more confusing. CeltBrowne (talk) 19:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose We've been here before, from memory. It is far more common to hear widespread discussion about "the next X" than "the nth X" when talking about elections and parliaments. The forthcoming UK general election will be the 50-oddth, even the 60th perhaps, and nobody beyond academics would know it as such. It is "the next UK general election" and our article titles should continue reflecting that. The redirect issue is important, I agree. But it's also easily amended. doktorb wordsdeeds 21:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There shouldn't be a change in the article title. Sea Ane (talk) 00:09, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per #57. Nobody ever mentions the number of the general election here in the UK, and it may not even be a rigorously defined concept. I imagine it's the same elsewhere, and readers aren't going to know what we mean. That makes the proposed naming a non-starter per the WP:RECOGNIZE policy. I take the point that the OP makes about old links, but in most cases it will be obvious what is being referred to even if the link now points elsewhere.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:16, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to a RfC on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums[edit]

Hi everyone, I would like to invite y'all to a RfC started by me about RfC: Convention for House of Representatives special elections in the United States which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Please leave your suggestions if you're inclined to. Thanks! ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk|contribs) 12:35, 16 July 2021 (UTC)