Talk:Etruscan civilization

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History stops too early[edit]

The history of the Etruscans seems to stop with them founding Rome. Surely there should be something about their struggles with a rising Rome, and their eventual conquest by Rome? The 1911 Britannica has this incredibly brief coverage which I suppose would be better than nothing: "After the expulsion of the Tarquins the chief events in Etruscan history are the vain attempt to re-establish themselves in Rome under Lars Porsena of Clusium, the defeat of Octavius Mamilius, son-in-law of Tarquinius Superbus, at Lake Regillus, and the treaty with Carthage. This last event shows that the Etruscan power was formidable, and that by means of their fleet the Etruscans held under their exclusive control the commerce of the Tyrrhenian Sea. By this treaty Corsica was assigned to the Etruscans while Carthage obtained Sardinia. Soon after this, decay set in. In 474 the Etruscan fleet was destroyed by Hiero I. (q.v.) of Syracuse; Etruria Circumpadana was occupied by the Gauls, the Campanian cities by the Samnites, who took Capua (see CAMPANIA) in 423, and in 396, after a ten years' siege, Veii fell to the Romans. The battle of the Vadimonian Lake (309) finally extinguished Etruscan independence, though for nearly two centuries still the prosperity of the Etruscan cities far exceeded that of Rome itself. Henceforward Etruria is finally merged in the Roman state." David Bofinger (talk) 02:08, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[]

It is not at all true that the history of the Etruscans seems to stop with them founding Rome. Rome is founded in 753 BC according to tradition. I have studied archaeology and the chronology in Etruscan texts is exactly what is given on the page. The 1911 Britannica is a very old and completely inadequate source. Romanization was a very long process. Lake Vadimone is a few kilometers north of Rome, it is where Orte is today, and it was on the border of the Sabine world. But Etruria extended as far as the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines for at least another 3-400 km to the north. Even after the granting of Roman citizenship (89 BC) it does not begin the peace, and the process ends only 27 BC. Tursclan (talk) 03:42, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, but there is nothing of this in the article, which doesn't cover the later period very well at all. Johnbod (talk) 03:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[]
As soon as I have time I will. Tursclan (talk) 04:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[]